Arizona, home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants, now has the toughest illegal immigration law in the U.S. It took a lot of courage for elected representatives and Gov. Jan Brewer to enact their law.
The new law requires police to inquire into legal authority of a person to be in the U.S., if the cop has reason to believe the person is not legally in this country. The anti-s have come out of the woodwork already, claiming racial profiling before it ever happens.
Why shouldn't a visitor in the U.S. carry papers with him or her? If you visit a foreign country, aren't you going to carry your U.S. Passport and visa? And, if you don't and you get stopped, you're going to have some explaining to do; right?
Why should it be any different here?
What's different here is that we have about 12,000,000 illegal immigrants in this country. Maybe illegal "immigrants" isn't the right phrase. How about illegal aliens?
I'm aware of two recent cases right here in McHenry County. A mother with her five-year-old daughter in the car got stopped for weaving in the lane. She was ticketed and then held for immigration. A friend had to go to the jail to pick up her daughter. She was released on a $5,000 bond. A man was ticketed for DUI in Woodstock and then held for immigration.
Where the system seems to breakdown is on the question of whether a person needs to be locked up and held for immigration. What if they were just cited into immigration court on the undocumented matter? It's not like they are hard-core gangbangers or bank robbers.Is a mom with a five-year-old going to flee?
And what if she does? You just enter her into the computer and the next time you don't release her. If a person is going to be deported (now called "removed"), why not let them go home, wind up residency, move out, and head for their home country? Why stick them in jail for 30-60-90 days?
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Gus... if the detained would just go home, wind up residency, move out and go back to where they came from that would be one thing. But they get out of jail and head to Elgin for new id. This is why we need to ship them home through legal ICE standards. I say congrats to Arizon! Now Illinois needs to follow!
In every WWII movie some Nazi says "show me your papers." Believe it or not, we used to make fun of the Nazi for that.
I don't see any similarity here.
If a person gets stopped for a traffic violation or spitting on the sidewalk or whatever, why not ask for proof of privilege to be in this country?
There are an estimated 12,000,000 illegal aliens in the U.S.; maybe 16,000 right here in McHenry County, using the schools, hospitals, working for pay without withholding, etc.
If I were in a foreign country without papers, think I wouldn't be worried about getting caught?
What proof of citizenship do you carry on your person, Gus? Driver's license? Fagedaboutit, those can be forged and are - every day! Social Security Card? Nope, same thing. Birth Certificate? Stop it, you're killing me. Not worth the paper it's printed on. Oh, wait, I see. Everybody but Gus and those people born in this country have to have identification to show when they get stopped for traffic or whatever. How utterly simple. Yep, you truly are.
Come on, Mike. A driver's license is considered valid ID. Of course, if I can't tell the officer my DOB, then he might get suspicious. Or if I can recite my ZIP Code or address.
Surprise me sometime, Mike. Ask me for proof.
Try bringing a driver's license to the table to establish citizenship with ICE. This just goes to show how truly out of touch you are. You really don't have a clue, do you?
Mike, if you want to get insulting about it, I'm sure I can keep up with you, but I won't.
You and I both know that a D/L would be insufficient for an alien in our country. He would need some other papers.
If he doesn't speak English, doesn't have a D/L, can't produce proof of insurance, maybe he's not in the country legally?
By the way, I can prove my citizenship anywhere, any time. Even in Arizona.
It's your One Size fits all attitude that I find insulting, Gus. Are you aware of the fact that there are illegal immigrants from Canada, England and other countries where some of the folks speak better English than you or I? They, too, are illegal aliens and have no business in this country. I stand by my claim and that is simply that your plan of "Papers, Please!" is currently unworkable and if and when they attempt to implement it, you and I will both be bitching about it.
As for your catch & release program... that's what we have now and any police officer can tell you just how well that works. Juan or Xiang gets picked up, illegal as hell, ICE won't pick him up so he's cut loose on bond or recognizance like any other US born defendant. Often that's the last he's seen - at least under that identity. He'll be back, ask some of the translators at the courthouse, but it will now be Jose or CXheow. Lock them up, remove or deport them instanter and if they return, since it's a felony, lock their a**es up and put them in minimum security prison camps with a nice tall fence and let them enjoy the climate of, say, East Toadstool, SD or some desolate spot in Montana or Idaho. The local economy out there could use the jobs. Just don't give them voting rights until they become citizens.
You don't see the similarity here?
(Insert a thing here that represents me rolling on the floor laughing my butt off and waking up the dog)
Oh, well I can see that.
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