Friday, October 17, 2014

Nygren's dumb statements in Peters case

According to the current version of the Peters story in the Northwest Herald, the three deputies (originally reported as two) who went to the Peters' house at 1:30am Thursday were responding to a "domestic dispute at Peters' home." That's a far cry from a "well-being check".

If there were such a thing as an investigative reporter covering this story, you'd think they would have demanded a correct story right from the beginning. Instead, reporters sopped up what was spewed out by the mouthpiece for the Sheriff's Department, and Nygren stayed out of sight and didn't talk to reporters. Otherwise, one of them might have asked who the injured deputies were and would have reported any evasive answer by the Sheriff's Department spokesperson or Sheriff.

Don't reporters know any deputies whom they could ask for the names of the injured deputies? Were deputies told not to reveal the names? Why? It's not like the deputies were targeted by Peters.

I'm also interested if they got shot "through the door", as was earlier reported. The shooting should be reinacted (well, not the "shooting") in order to determine whether they walked up to and stood in front of the door. Maybe the findings will keep deputies from being hit by shots fired "through the door" in the future.

Back to Nygren's dumb statements:

1. "The day ends on a positive note," Nygren said at a press conference Thursday night. "The neighbors who live in Holiday Hills can return to their homes, knowing that this incident is over and their community is safe again."

... and everyone lived happily ever after.

I corresponded with a neighbor of Peters whose house was searched by deputies. How about a little legal research into whether deputies have any right to enter houses and search, unless they have a solid reason to believe that a suspect is in that particular house? If they request and receive permission from the person in charge of the property, certainly. Go right in. But, do they have any right to enter, absent freely-given permission?

If you tell them "Peters isn't in here and you aren't coming in", what would happen?

Nygren's next SWAG (you know what that means, right? Simple Wild-Assed Guess ...)

2. "Obviously, he was not in plain sight," Nygren said. "We had aerial searches, ground searches, grid searches in that [Holiday Hills] area and didn't come up with him. I think it's safe to say he was secreted somewhere in the immediate area."

What Nygren is saying is that someone hid Peters in the immediate area. Nygren didn't say "Peters secreted himself." The only true part of Nygren's statement is that the "searches ... didn't come up with him." Nygren's guesses are worthless. And "secreted"?

And 3. "As the officers approached, Peters allegedly shot and wounded two unidentified deputies while a third returned fire and provided cover, Nygren said."

"Allegedly"? Huh?

No, Keith, the deputies aren't "unidentified", unless you don't know who they are. Obviously, you do. What's true is that their identities have not yet been released by the Department.

Is there anyone at MCSD who knows how to give a professional-sounding, law-enforcement statement to the press?


Jim Jones said...

Secreted somewhere in the area; it's called hiding! And, you're always asking where Nygren is; right there on TV in the area of concern. I doubt local channels would go to Wisconsin or Florida to get his responses, don't you? Glad the two deputies will recover, tho.

Dawn said...

Gus, in the case of a manhunt, especially when searching for an armed suspect, the police do have the right to search the homes in the vicinity. If a person refuses the search of his home, it would heighten suspicion that the suspect was inside. And, it would be highly possible to infer that perhaps the suspect had family members inside at gunpoint. At that point, the officers would request you to step outside of your house to talk with you and assess the situation. What if the suspect got into your house or basement and you actually were unaware because you were sleeping (it was the middle of the night) or perhaps you work nights and weren't home when the suspect could have entered? I guess I'm curious why you would even want to keep them out of your house at a time like this. The police - and not just MCSD but many agencies - did their job to try to locate this person and to keep others safe from an armed shooter.

Dawn said...

And by the way, thanks for the belly laugh - "investigative reporters" from the NW Herald! Truly too funny!

Gus said...

Thanks, Dawn. What was it those two old codgers used to say in the Bartles & Jaymes ads?

"Thank you for your support."

Big Daddy said...

I have to disagree with you on some of this Gus. First of all, the call could have started out with a simple well being check depending who made the call and what they said. Not a big deal. As far as Nygren not speaking to reporters immediately and using a PIO (who I thought was in way over her head), that's also OK. He was probably working the case, speaking to the officers, his Command Staff etc., etc. Also not a big deal. Remember, he had two of his Officers shot. Speaking to the press himself was not a priority. Nor should it be. As far as being shot through the door, we don't know what happened. Did the guy start firing as soon as they began walking up the sidewalk, the stairs, as they stood in front of the door, as they stood beside the door? And yes, I said beside the door. I once had a guy do that to me because he knew we were taught to stand of to the side of the door, not right in front of it.
As far as naming the wounded officers, I've always been fascinated by peoples need to know things that they do not need to know. Maybe the officers didn't want their names to be made public, maybe the MCSO has not contacted their families yet. Who knows? Who cares? I,you, the public doesn't need to know their names. As a matter of fact I don't think any officers name should ever be published anywhere except when they appear in court for the record. I don't even think that they should wear their names on their uniforms. I was actually more concerned with their condition no matter who they were.
As far as the police searching peoples homes, I'm torn on this. On one hand I support the Constitution and the right of people to remain secure in their homes etc., but on the other hand we are looking for a man that shot two people and might be hiding out and holding someone hostage in their own home. So I don't know, I'm not sure. I think my answer might be this. If they know on the door and ASK to search the home, without a weapon being pointed at the homeowner (Boston), I might be OK with it. If the people say no, I think that may raise my alert and I'm going to do it anyway. It's a tough call.
Gus, situations like this are very,very fluid. Information comes in as the situation develops. It changes and changes again. I'm not going to rip Nygren for any of this.