What if we had a sheriff's department that just went out and did its job without the under-current of incidents like these?
One of my Denver offices in the late 1970s was near a "cop" bar just a couple of blocks from the headquarters of the Denver Police Department. Many officers went there regularly to unwind. The bar was the location of many fights. Tables and chairs were often broken.
What happened when the fight was over? The cops forked over money to the bar owner to replace the broken furniture, and life went on. Think a police report was ever filed? Think the bar owner ever grabbed the phone and called for on-duty police to respond? No way. I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to think of a faster way to go out of business.
Perhaps liquor licenses should be at risk for any restaurant or bar that doesn't call the police when any altercation takes place inside or in the parking lot. If any law enforcement person is involved, the incident should get fully investigated and reported publicly, not swept under the table.
The following message was received this week:
"I will keep it clean and try not to get carried away. We all know that a certain Under Sheriff helped put a innocent man on death row. (Thank God for good FBI work.) I was told about an incident where this same Under Sheriff was celebrating a huge conviction, got drunk and jumped into the hotel pool fully clothed. That sets a good example of off duty conduct. And did I mention he almost had a innocent man die on death row. Did you know that the Discovery Channel did a whole episode on the Gauger case. MCSD is famous for it. I can't even begin to imagine how he got his job. Most people would have left police work after a screw up like that. Then again most people have a conscience.
"You should do a FOIA request asking about all the supervisors that have had off duty incidents involving alcohol. If the department was honest with you and didn't hide everything, you would be amazed. I can think of at least 5. Drunk driving, leaving the scene of a accident, car chases, beating up female deputies, you name it. I know of one that went through rehab. You know, 29 days. God forbid you have a panic attack but being drunk on the job is okay.
"There was also an incident not so long ago where a deputy (K9 guy) was at a new bar down in Lake in the Hills. I think it's called the Fire Bar, I don't know. It's by the Cardinal Fitness off Randall Road. Anyway, this deputy got into a fight with another area police officer (Woodstock I think) and was made to leave the bar. Capt. C and Lt. L have made comments about it at the office so they know it happened. No report or charges filed. Just a warning was given to the deputy. I wonder if every deputy would be so lucky, if they screwed up like that. Maybe he'll join the ranks of the white shirts soon."
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So, I guess I'm not clear on this. The Under Sheriff jumping into the pool fully clothed is related to the Gauger case how? You start out by talking about one thing, mention poor off-duty conduct and then return to Gauger.
And I'm also not drawing the correlation between you recommending a FOIA request about OFF duty incidents inovlving alcohol and then the last line in that paragraph specifically says "but being drunk ON duty is okay".
I think what is being said is that MCSD feels it's okay to have a drinking problem and be a police officer (therefore being drunk ON duty) but having a panic attack is grounds for termination. (Which happened OFF duty. Ask Bob S.)
The Gauger part of this is just sad. "Quit..." is marginalizing a huge screw up that could have cost a man his life but because it's not represented well by the author she picks it apart. She obviously disagrees with this website a 100% of th time. Why does she keep reading? I know. She's directly involved and information is power.
Let me tell you how jumping into a pool and putting a innocent man on death row are related. Both acts were done by the Under Sheriff and both acts were stupid. Obviously, one was a hellva a lot more stupid than the other. Either way, I bet Ron Salgado would be careful not to do either. (So as not to confuse "Quit..." any further she's going to have to go back to the 'Driving the Wagon" article which was written, 3/29/09, to understand the last reference. Sometimes people have to be walked through these things.
Z-I'm not from the SO and it matters not to me if you win or lose. I've never met you, and I would not recognize you if I bumped into you in the grocery store. I'm pretty sure you won't win the argument about being drunk while off duty (and yes, I get the whole "you're never really off duty"). But one can control whether or not they're drunk while in uniform and on the clock. Panic attacks are not something you can choose not to have (but if your position is that you're never really off duty, does it matter???). I don't know the details of this particular incident, but there's not much to pull from a one sentence reference.
Not well represented by the author? What are they even trying to say??? None of this is winning me over, that's for sure.
I am not marginalizing anything about the Gauger case. It is very serious business and could have cost that man his life. I just don't see the correlation in a rant about alcohol abuse. I also do not disagree with this website 100%. I'm just sick of the lynch-mob mentality over stuff that people hear third hand. So, Z, jump to conclusions, be rude and nasty, and go ahead and rip me up one side and down the other because you can't hold a semi-intelligent discussion about the issues at hand. But I will tell you this...you are coming across as a very angry lunatic whether you have a leg to stand on or not.
Thank God he kept his clothes on. I won't go any further with that, I don't want to offend QuitWA. I think what the writer wants to show is more than one case of bad judgement (Gauger/pool) by the same moron. As for the "being drunk on the job", if someone went to rehab then they are probably an alcoholic. If they are an alcoholic, then they probably have some amount of alcohol in there sysytem at any given time of the day. Being at work with alcohol in your system and driving a squad car is probably better left to the undersheriff. Are you keeping up Quit.
Thank you Gene. It's not rocket science. The thing about people like "Insane.." and "Quit.." is that they use a tactic known as "deflection" when they don't want to discuss the incidents or the issues. They would rather discuss grammar and spelling. It's conforting to know that most people see through that.
As far as attacking poor Ms. "Quit..", I seem to recall you agreeing with "Giggles" in the comment section of Gus' article "Sexual Harrassment, Tolerated", 3/31/09. "If you can't handle the heat get out of the fricken kitchen."-Giggles. Is it hot or is it just me?
I have advice for everyone on here, stop bickering with each other and shut up. If you are going to launch personal attacks on someone step away from the keyboard and do it face to face, nobody wants to hear your personal vendettas.
You're killing me, Z. And G for that matter. I wasn't the one complaining about sexual harassment and I believe I did agree with Giggles in that the females with delicate ears at the SO need to toughen up, so I'm not sure on the ref from Gene on offending me about a lack of clothing. I am really trying to stick to the issues here, but the two of you are so incredibly stupid I feel like I'm trying to carry an adult conversation with a five year old.
I was looking for some clarification.
And if you think alcoholic = some amount of alcohol in your blood at any given time of day, you really need to go back to school.
I'll leave you with some tidbit of free legal advice, Z. I'd avoid speaking on your own behalf at your court appearances. You are scary stupid.
The Fire Bar and Grill is located at 435 Angela Lane in Crystal Lake.
From the photos in the galleries on its website, it's obvious that no customers ever over-imbibe. Yeah, sure...
OK, OK, so I wish I was 25 again...
In these comments I have been called "incredibly stupid", "scary stupid","lunatic" and a "five year old". I have not called anyone any names. I've also been challenged to go "face to face". Hypocrisy at it's best.
Quit...you initiated this dialog, your comments were posted first. I will give you some advice, read your comments more than once before you post them. Try and remember what you said in the previous comments. It gets tiresome pointing out your deflections.
Ace.. I don't hide behind a screen name. I havent delt with anyone yet that has the heart to go face to face with me. If you'd like we can schedule a time and place. We can have grand debate. Invite your friends. It'll be fun.
Dont drag me into your fight. Im staying neutral. My comment wasnt one sided.
Right. Good luck, Z.
Zane, it's not about deflection. I ask questions when necessary, and voice an opinion. And sometimes you retort, sometimes you choose to toss in additional sarcastic commentary, rude comments and condescention. And I'm not going to be goaded into insult after insult with you. I've already let it go too far by aven acknowledging some of what you and Gene have said.
You don't want to engage me or IZ in the point by point because you can't. So...what do you do? You twist, you manipulate and you take things out of context. I am not from the SO, and I would venture a guess that not every reader of this blog is an employee of the SO, either. There are huge gaps in the information you write here in comments as well as lots missing from the anon posts people are writing in. Rumors, third hand information, too many fill-in-the-blanks. And it becomes more and more outlandish to the point that it's hard to take any of it seriously, whether there is a legitimate issue or not. Your replies may start out intelligible, but as soon as anyone says something you don't agree with, you're off and running with some quite foul and unprofessional words and you attack the person, not the issue...and you want your job back??? I would not want you responding to my house for anything. Did you ever think about what the people who live in McHenry County think about what you have to say on here?
Quit, do you think that police departments should have officers that are alcoholics? Simple question. As far as personal attacks, I think IZ's screen name of "Isanezeipler" is an attack on Zane. I think "dumbass" or something would work just fine. I'll try not to use any more sexual inyourendOH's (spelling) if you Quit calling people scary stupid,etc. . Also why do you think every police misconduct story Gus gets is just rumor and can't be true. If you hear a story third hand then it can't be true? I didn't fight in WWII ,but I still believe it happened.
You thought a person might quit there job after a "mistake" like that. Now that's hilarious.
Gene, it doesn't matter what I think on the topic. You can't fire someone because of alcoholism, period. Being drunk on duty or having any BAC on duty, whether you are legitimately an alcoholic or not is a different story. The original post mentioned being drunk on duty, but referenced off duty incidents.
As far as none of these allegations agains the SO being true, I really have no idea, but the complaints here, which since I am not affiliated with the SO are my only source of information on the newer stuff, are sketchy at best. And the arguments that you and Zane present in the comments do nothing more than diminish any credibility whatsoever.
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